Warhol and Claes Oldenburg—the great pop artists—did. We still have a terrible gap. We have a terrible gap where some—rock and roll, to me one of the great art forms of the end of the century, still has never gained the respect that is deserves from critics. There are people who are rock fans, and have written serious books about it, but people who are untouched by rock music have absolutely no respect for it. There’s a lot of work to do here at the end of the century following in the McLuhan line. Even though McLuhan’s books are long lost and no longer read, still, one of his most famous terms is